Interview with a Palestinian woman who joined the Strike 
in London, England, 2002
Also in French

(Can you tell us something about how women in Palestine are managing, with the troops and settlements occupying their land?)
My cousin lives in a village near Ramallah with her two children.  She told me on the phone the other day, every day the children go to school, and you are not sure if they will come back.  But what can you do?  She's like every other mother in that situation.  Having to send your children off, with all that fear and pain.  Having to provide something for them to eat, something to wear.  There is no material to make clothes for them, so the women cut down adults' clothing and resew it.  The Israelis use precious water to fill their private swimming pools, but on the other side there isn't water for Palestinian people to drink, let alone wash.  Yet they say, there is no food, no heat, but we are ok.

When the troops demolish your house, it is such a pain to see the place bombed, everything you had all your life all in little pieces.  Then you have to go live with other people, who take you in.  It is hard enough surviving on your own, let alone having a new family to eat, sleep, do everything together, sharing rooms.  But people don't think about saying no, there is no other option.  

People eat vegetarian food.  They're clever, making something out of nothing, getting something from the land.  In towns it is a bigger problem than in the villages.  In a siege situation when no one can move, when it is such a big risk to travel, you can forget about delivering something to your family in town, even walking.  But what food they get, women share it up and down the street.  I heard that in the first Intifada, if one house in a whole street has a bottle of olive oil -- which we need, for our cooking -- the bottle will go all the way up and down the street with everyone taking a little bit until it goes back to the first house.  If one woman has flour at her house, she makes bread and gives it to everyone else.  We try to keep back a little something for emergencies.  But this is a long emergency here.  Everybody looks out for each other.  

Women keep everything going by being very economical, very ecological, very clever in providing food and clothing and support, by demonstrating, by trying to protect their kids from being arrested.  If one Palestinian is working you can be sure he is supporting a few families.  Most people are unemployed.  A lot of women used to work as cleaners in Israeli homes.  They didn't do childcare, just cleaning.  Now they cannot get there.  My Jewish friend's mother says she passes on second-hand clothing to her cleaner, to try to help.  My friend tells her mother, "But where you're living, that used to be your cleaner's home!"  Here, I buy second-hand clothes so I can send a contribution to Palestine through the charities.  

In the refugee camps within occupied Palestine and in neighbouring countries there are hundreds of thousands of orphans.  Yet there are no street children.  Even a mother who has many children of her own will take in the children if a neighbour or friend is killed, and look after them as her own.  Others in the community will help to feed and support them.  

Schools are more often closed than open.  If a mother is able, she will teach her own children.  If not, a neighbour or friend will do it.  Or children will be taught together.  When it is very cold in a classroom or when they are hungry or exhausted, children can't concentrate.  In the refugee camps it is freezing, the ground is frozen, but people are barefoot, looking in other people's rubbish they might find one shoe.  Yet Palestinian people value education highly.  It is still one of the best educated countries in the world.  No one, man or woman, is illiterate.  My mother, my grandmother, can all read and write.

(How old are your cousin's children?   Girls or boys?)
My cousin's children are both boys, aged 14 and 16, the perfect age for being in total danger.  People think the kids go towards trouble and fighting.  It's not like that.  They walk in their own street, and find a tank or military car trying to challenge them.  They don't go out to fight, these people come to provoke them.  If you go to your local High Road in London, and the military force is there threatening to arrest someone, or destroying a house, it is natural to react, you're walking down your own street!

(Are girls involved in reacting to this as well as boys?)
Girls used to be more active in street fighting.  Until the Israelis found out where is the weak point, which is rape.  The first thing when they see a girl fighting back is to arrest her, and then it is rape, immediately.  So now it is harder.  First they ask the girls to get naked.  It could be her brother, her father who is there arrested with her.  You can imagine  how hard it is.  Then they ask . . . they force people who are arrested to rape each other.  In front of everyone.  Everything they can do, they do do, because they found out this is a weak point for Arab people.  One girl was out after a year.  She said the first night nothing happened and she thought, "they could be lying these girls, I survived without being raped."  Then every night after that for a year she was raped.  She lost her voice because she was screaming every night.  Later, she sent in her problem to a magazine, she said there was a man who loved her, and wanted to marry her, should she tell him, or not?   In fact, women who are raped are not ostracised, but supported -- everyone knows they have had a hard time.  In our culture women are respected -- Palestinian women, who care for the family, consider themselves the head of the family.

Because of the rapes, girls became more scared.  She knows what is going to happen to her.  Especially if she is covered [wearing a head scarf] or dressed religiously, they will do the worst, because they know this is a weak point for her.  But it didn't stop women from fighting and going to prison.  Women do their own role.  They are helping anyway by keeping resistance going, and by their support.  The young boy who explodes himself, he has a mother, sisters, maybe a lover.  They know.  They can't say "No, don't do it".  They are even proud of him.  And he knows they are not only sad, they are proud of him.  

Girls are also tortured in other ways, beaten with electric flexes, much more.  If a lady is pregnant when she is arrested, they try to make her miscarry by jumping on her stomach.   And boys -- when they are arrested, sometimes their mother really cannot recognise them, because of the torture.  He is so changed, that she thinks "this is not my son".  Sometimes a mother will see her arrested daughter or son in a few days, sometimes it is months, sometimes never.  And many of the young people are mentally ill after that.  

Women try to prevent the arrests.  They physically stand between their children and the soldiers, and if it is not the woman's own child she will still say, "Leave my kid alone."  Sometime it works, an older woman pleading, shouting, screaming, even attacking the soldiers, pushing them away, trying to protect these little kids.  Sometimes it doesn't.  

One of the girls was a doctor.  I heard from her colleague that when she was on trial and she told the Israeli judge how she had been tortured and raped, the judge said it was unbelievable, it was too much, it must be her imagination.  She said that was what they wanted people to think -- because it is so much, nobody will believe it.  But her lawyer, an Israeli woman who supports Palestine, believed her and backed her up.  There is plenty of support from Israeli women for Palestinian women -- they know, they have hearts, they still have their humanity.  There is an organisation of mothers whose children have been killed, and for what?  Occupying land which is not theirs!  And there was a teacher who refused to serve in the occupied territories -- he said his job was to care for children, how could he go and kill them?  He was jailed.  Many in Israel think the same but they are frightened to speak out.  

Palestinian society has always been very tolerant towards different religions, we think a person's religion is something personal.  The ones who make it an issue are the ones who can get something out of it.  Neighbours who were Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Durzi and other religions used to celebrate together all the different religious festivals.  There are Jewish Palestinians.  Most left with us, but some chose to stay and live in Israel, where they are treated like 4th class citizens and have to twist their tongues to speak Hebrew and not Arabic.  In Palestinian society, Muslim and Jewish people often married each other.  People would just think, they fell in love -- it was a very open society.  Now people are taking sides, but still, especially if Jewish people are working together on an issue, are on the same side, they do marry.  A Palestinian Muslim woman who marries a non-Zionist Jewish man would not be seen as disloyal, he would be more welcome, as a human being who stands for something right.  

We didn't used to have religious people like now.  This religious movement is very new in our society, since the last Intifada, around 1987.  It is known to be supported by Israel and Iran; Israel uses it to provoke a reaction from the Jewish religious side.  Palestinians have started to think of it as a religious war -- if the other side uses religion to fight, we can too.  You have to use whatever power you have.  And Iran is one of our supporters, when you need support you have to accept their conditions, and be religious, or at least, cover.  Within the religious organisations, women have had to go back to the second line, just like in the Jewish religious organisations -- war is a man's issue in all religions.  

(How did you come to leave Palestine?  Was it because of the troubles or was it your personal situation?)
The only personal thing was -- I'm Palestinian.  I had left already, as a child; if I had been there I wouldn't have left.  My family used to live in the West Bank, under Jordanian government.  Then it was impossible to survive there, and many people left.  My family went to Kuwait, and then the traveling never stopped.  We had to leave the West Bank when I was seven; that was the only period of my life when I was happy.  For me, it was the only peaceful period in my life, although I could see the horror and I could tell there was something not alright with the adults.  I'm the first of eight brothers and sisters.  We now live in eight different places -- two in the US, a plane-ride from each other, one in Jordan, one in Bulgaria, one in Kuwait, one in Abu Dhabi, (one in Australia, and me in Britain.  My sister had cancer, and I couldn't go and see her.  My mother and father died, and we were not there, none of us was there.  Suffering for us has become something normal.  Sometimes we write to each other, sometimes we feel hopeless.  Letters wouldn't compensate for a life, so we lose touch.

(What did you find difficult about coming to England?)
In the UK, it takes so long to have indefinite leave to remain, and all this time they can't imagine the state we're in -- we have nowhere else to go.  England should take responsibility for Palestinians in particular -- England gave our country away like a piece of cake to someone else.  It was not even theirs to be generous with!  Yet now they are harder with us than any other nation to get in here for asylum.

(Are there strikes in Palestine?)
The longest strike in history was in Palestine, for six months in 1936 or '37, during the English occupation, when it became obvious that there was a plan for large numbers of Jewish people to be imported from Europe under the protection of the British -- they were preparing to occupy the land, as if it was empty! 

(What do you think about the Global Women's Strike?)
When you feel everything is dark there's a spark come from somewhere to keep you alive and optimistic.  This Global Women's Strike is one of them.  When you feel there are the people who have the courage to struggle and do things, it gives you hope again, with all this darkness there is a light.  I hope it can go all the way through.  This is the right role for women.  Men are busy with fighting and other things, women are mothers who create life, sisters who care for a brother, lovers who care for the man in their life, so anyway we are involved and caring for the human race all together.  I wouldn't say this job is for women only, it's for everyone.  When women are treated fairly and are happy, the men will be happier too.  

An Iraqi woman in Britain says:
I am against Blair and Bush attacking Iraq because it will destroy children's lives and many other lives . . .the quality of the earth and people will have nothing, the food will not grow and people will starve. After the Gulf war people couldn’t use the water for many many years. 

A Pakistani woman living in Britain says:
In my country 65% of the budget goes to military expenditure, very little is left for women, children, health, education. Women's health is always at risk, literacy is very low for women and girls, and access to clean water, housing and other resources, very difficult.  Whichever party comes to power fails and falls into corruption, because the military is always in power.

A Jewish woman speaks out against the Israeli state  
at the Global Women's Strike Anti-war picket, Parliament Square, London

Women of Colour Strike Call 2002

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